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Geschrieben von Kris am 09.11.2012 um 22:32:

GÃ¼nther Viertel - 7.10.1922

Hallo,

Haben Sie in DRK liste Soldat mit Informazion fur GÃ¼nther Viertel ? :

Religion (?):
_In Christ_
_GÃ¼nter_
_Viertel_
Geboren:_7.10.1922_

Verschalisch gefallen: Buchheide - March 1945 - Stettin - Altdamm - Hockendorf

Ich denke er war Deutsche Soldat (??? FJ9) gefallen in Pommern (Buchheide) Stettin.
Gehabt in 1945 --- Er war 23 Jhare Alt.

Herzliche Grusse,

Kris

Geschrieben von Kris am 23.11.2012 um 23:55:

This name of soldier exist on the DRK Bild listen ? Somebody tried to find this person ?

Herzliche Grusse,

Kris

Geschrieben von Peavey am 24.11.2012 um 15:04:

Hello Kris !

Without knowledge of his unit this is nearly impossible.

189 books with up to 800 pages, each page with up to 20 MIAÂ´s.......

Best regards
Bernhard

Geschrieben von Kris am 24.11.2012 um 20:01:

Peavey

OK, so please check for Gunter Viertel as first this unit from which was also KIA following soldier:
ABRATIS, Herbert (Herbert-Karl). (DOB: 21.03.18 in Babienten/E Prussia) see:
http://pomorze1945.com/?co=213&strona=karta&nr=9699&lang=DE

- commander of FJ Regiment 27 and next Rgt 26 and Rgt 25:

Could be also in this units:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...ionen/9FJD.htm
Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 27
Aufgestellt im Februar 1945 im Raum Stettin, aus dem Fallschirm-Panzerjagd-Bataillon 51, dem Fallschirm-Panzerjagd-Bataillon 53 und dem Fallschirm-Panzerjagd-Bataillon 54. Das Regiment unterstand der 9. FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Division.

Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 25
Das FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Regiment 25 wurde am 17. MÃ¤rz 1945 im BrÃ¼ckenkopf von Altdamm aus dem Stab und dem III. Bataillon (als I. Bataillon) des FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Regiment z.b.V. Schacht, das II. und III. Bataillon wurden durch die auf dem Kommandowege aufgestellten FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Bataillone "Brandenburg" und "Hermann" gebildet. Es unterstand der 9. FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Division. Der BrÃ¼ckenkopf Altdamm konnte bis zum 17. MÃ¤rz 1945 gehalten werden. Danach betrug die StÃ¤rke des Regiments noch 200 Mann. Bis zum 20. MÃ¤rz 1945 zog sich das Regiment auf die Westseite der Oder zurÃ¼ck.

Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 26
Aufgestellt im Februar 1945 im Raum Stettin, aus dem I. und dem II. Bataillon des FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Regiment z.b.V., das III. Bataillon wurde aus dem Fallschirm-Panzerjagd-Bataillon 52 gebildet. Das Regiment unterstand der 9. FallschirmjÃ¤ger-Division.

I think Gunter Viertel could be fresh member of this units. FJ9 had a lot of soldiers from other Luftwaffe formation in 1945 around Stettin and Altdamm.
As I know plate with Gunter Viertel data was found in Buchheide in Altdamm-Stettin or Neu Rosengarten / Rosengarten (Kijewko/Kijewo).
data with all KIA soldiers from Falschirm Jager Division 9 - Rgt.27 , Rgt.26 , Rgt25.

Some fresh attached soldiers FJ9 Rgt27,Rgt26,Rgt25 in this area had Eckermarke numers like for example this one: 4/Fl.Ausb.Rgt 61 ( , .... - fresh fligers Luftwaffe serving on the end of war in FJ units.

4/Fl.Ausb.Rgt 61:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=10357

Look also more details about this units :
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.blogspot.de/2010/07/fallschirmjager-regiment-26.html

http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.blogspot.de/2010/07/fallschirmjager-regiment-25.html

http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung.blogspot.de/2010/07/9-fallschirmjager-division-9-fschjagdiv.html

9.Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Division: FJR.25, FJR.26, FJR.27
http://www.feldgrau.com/FJR.htm

I think Gunter Viertel for 70% was from this units. KIA the same position for FJ9 like other soldiers on Neu Rosengarten - lets try to find him.
His plate found on this area:
Memory plate Gunter Viertel

BR

Kris

Geschrieben von Kris am 24.11.2012 um 20:32:

Look also:
Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 27

Kommandeur:
Maj Herbert Abratis, 2.45 - 28.3.45 !!!
Maj Hans von Majer, 3.45 - 21.3.45
Oberst Arthur Menke, 21.3.45 - 16.4.45
Maj Hans von Majer, 16.4.45 - 2.5.45
Formed 2.45 in the Stettin area. I, II. and III./FJR.27 from Fallschirm-Panzer-Jagd-Bataillone 51, 53 and 54.

Organisation:
I. 1-4, II. 5-8, III. 9-12, 13, 14, 15?

Source: http://www.feldgrau.com/FJR.htm#27

Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 26

Kommandeur:
Maj Walter Brede, 2.45 - 3.45
Maj Schluckebier, 3.45 - 5.45

Formed 2.45 in the Stettin area, I. and II./FJR.26 from I. and II./FJR. z.b.V., and III./FJR.26 from Fallschirm-Panzer-Jagd-Bataillon 52.
In late 2.45 III./FJR.26 was flown into Breslau, and was renamed Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Bataillon 68, and was replaced.

Organisation:
I. 1-4, II. 5-8, III. 9-12, 13, 14, 15

Source: http://www.feldgrau.com/FJR.htm#26

Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Regiment 25

Kommandeur:
Maj Gerhard Schacht, 2.45 - 16.4.45
Hptm Hermann KÃ¼rschen, 16.4.45 - 5.45

Formed 2.45 in the Stettin area, Stab and I./FJR.25 from Stab and III./FJR. z.b.V., II./FJR.25 from Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Bataillon Brandenburg, and III./FJR.25 from Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Bataillon Hermann. In late 2.45 II./FJR.25 was flown into Breslau, and was renamed Fallschirm-JÃ¤ger-Bataillon 67,
and was replaced.

Organisation:
I. 1-4, II. 5-8, III. 9-12, 13, 14, 15

Source: http://www.feldgrau.com/FJR.htm#25

So "'green'' name of units on DRK bild listen , ... + also 4./Fl.Ausb.Rgt61

Geschrieben von Peavey am 25.11.2012 um 15:53:

Hello !

This soldier seems to be registered during the war, as KIA not as MIA.
( Keywoard "Grave Plate" )

The "Vermisstenbildliste" only contains soldiers which were still missed in 1950.

So, as expected there is no entry for Viertel with FJRgt 25, 26 or 26.

And there is no entry for the FlAubRgt 61 at all !

Best regards
Bernhard

Geschrieben von Kris am 25.11.2012 um 16:00:

Hallo,

Thanks for support - I think you have right - I expect similar answer Augenzwinkern

For me this soldier also look fresh in this unit because FJ9 get some new people (Formed 2.45 in the Stettin area) on the beggining of 1945 to FJ9 units on Pommern near Stettin.

How we can check now this soldier ?
I know place in Bucheide (near Stettin) where was found this grave plate with his data
but localisation of grave is on the area of ca. 50m2 - I think so not easy but possible.

The best solution could be to find veterans from FJ9 - Rgt.27 but they still alive ? Here is a problem.

By the way on the one web side I have found information about one interesting case:
Look here is Soldbuch which belong to soldier from FJ9 Rgt.27:
His name: Norbert Cech (or Zech) which was born: 24.04.1921
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191336&highlight=Altdamm
but his familly name was corrected on one page from Soldbuch on Zech.

On the web side POMORZE1945 exist similar familly name but:
Georg Zech , geb. 23.01.1923
http://pomorze1945.com/?co=213&strona=karta&nr=15159&lang=DE
Georg Zech (the same: familly name , regiment FJ9 , 27 Rgt , and also unteroffizer !!! )
is it his brother ?! (2 years difference- could be?)
One of them survived II WW ? How get to the Berlin archive his Soldbuch ? It is verey interesting situation.
Both or one of them was soldier which fought on Pommern in March 1945 the same area.
If one of them still alive we have ability to try contact and ask about Gunter Viertel ( I think fresh member of Rgt.27).

BR / Herzliche Grusse

Kris

Geschrieben von Kris am 25.11.2012 um 16:28:

Small correction:
Norbert Cech (Zech) and Georg Zech - both from II./Falschirm-Jager-Rgt.26
but could be the same unit our Gunter Viertel. His grave plate was found on the position of FJ9 soldiers in the Bucheide (Altdamm-Stettin , Rosengarten).

Geschrieben von Kris am 27.11.2012 um 20:02:

Hallo,

Here on the begining of the film by short moment are shown FJ9 soldiers, have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOdxZIvt0w
Kampf Stettin 1945.

BR

Kris